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These messages appear backwards it would make more sense
to read from last message UPWARDS LD P June 25 2015
files-2015/Message Michele Taylor Re Fannie Pierce JKP Taylor Johnson
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Message Michele Taylor Re Fannie Pierce JKP Taylor Johnson
Ruidosa NM Aug 8 2015 Dear Dan & LD,
Here is the front of a postcard with King Walter Taylor visiting his
parents grave at a Twin Oaks Cemetery in Cleburne...JKP & Fannie. The
back of the postcard is addressed to Mrs. Mannie Wilbanks. I have
acquired many photos from King's grandson John Watson who lives in
Amarillo. He was not born until 1943 but he does refer to Rhoda as Aunt
Rhoda. He remembers one of Rhoda's daughters, I think the youngest one,
being in Amarillo and visiting with them. Anyway, I am still convinced
that Fannie Pierce is Jeremy's relation. King's obit is in this
e-mail...not that I intended to send it.
Talk to you guys soon! michele
LDP Writes: *(here is link to those photos
I am also putting in web folder and at bottom of this page)
This link is a one drive shared folder
Ruidosa NM Aug 7 2015
Glendale CA Dan Pierce Aug 5 2015
Re: Kings Pics Part 3
dan pierce 8/05/15
To: michele, Pierce, LD
The more information you find, the more it looks like Fannie Kansas
Pierce must be the daughter of Andrew J. Pierce and Nancy Abercrombie.
This post card sent to Mrs. Mannie Wilbanks, c/o A.J. Wilbanks, and the
reference to Aunt Rhoda make it rather convincing.
The thing that still bothers me a little is that I think you said there
was a rumor that George F. Taylor was adopted by JKP Taylor, and the
1880 census seems to be in line with that rumor. That fact wouldn’t mean
that George F. is not the son of Fannie Kansas Pierce, but then it means
you have to explain JKP and Fannie being married in 1873 and George F.
being the son of some other man.
Anyway, I think the adoption story was probably referring to JKP Taylor
being the one who was adopted. But with that explanation out of the way,
the 1880 census is still very curious.
Anyway, keep finding good stuff.
I found this marriage record for G.W. Pierce, Jr. and a Fannie C. Taylor
in 1889. Grover Cleveland Pierce was born in 1890 and in the 1900 Census
record George Washington Pierce was listed as a widower.
Any thoughts on this piece of information is welcome.
I will call the
Johnson County library tomorrow and see if there is an obituary.
I don't know if this went through he first time. Anyway, here is King's
death certificate and according to Virginia King was Nannie Lena
Let me know what you think. Have a great day!
Here is King's death certificate. According to Virginia King was Nannie
Lena Taylor-Walker's brother.
Let me know what you guys think. Have a great day!
i Dan & LD,
Today I was able to speak with a living granddaughter of Nannie Lena
Taylor-Walker and she shared quite a bit of information with me
Virginia gave me two names that I have not heard of or seen in any of my
research. One was King Taylor that Virginia said was Nannie's brother
and the other was a Florence. She could not remember if Florence was a
relative or just a close family friend. In searching King Taylor I found
a death certificate on www.familysearch.com for a King W. Taylor that
was born in 1883 and died October 19, 1954 in Amarillo, Texas. I found a
birth record for a Vinnie Florence Taylor born to King W. Taylor and
Donna Blanche Allison. On King's death certificate it states that his
father was JAMES TAYLOR and his mother was CANCE PIERCE. Oh, on
Florence's birth record it states that King was born in Johnson County,
Texas. Florence was born August 18, 1917 in Big Spring, Texas.
What do you think?
I truly think that we are getting ever so closer to finding out who the
mystery people are.
Last night I found a second obituary for George Franklin Taylor and lo
and behold there was a surviving sister, and her name was Mrs. W.H.
Walker of Littlefield, and yes it was Texas, aka Nannie Lena Taylor. Her
death certificate indicates that her father was Jim Taylor and mother's
maiden name was Abacrumby. I started putting this information on the
One of the census records it has a man by the name of Grover C. Pierce,
listed as a brother-in-law. Does this name sound familiar?
I am so excited and it some ways it is a little bitter-sweet because
half the fun is trying to find our relatives. I think you both know what
Have a great evening to you both!
June 6 Dan Pierce California
In 1910, Grover C. Pierce was living in the household of William H.
Walker and wife Nannie Lena Taylor, listed as bro-in-law of W.H. Walker.
In 1916 Grover married Minnie Walker. It appears that Minnie’s father
was Andrew Jackson Walker who was the older brother of William H.
Walker. So Minnie was the niece of William H. Walker.
As for Grover C. Pierce, he could have been bro-in-law to W. H. Walker
by being previously married to W. H. Walker’s sister, but that is
unlikely because of the ages and because he is listed as single in 1910.
So he must have been the brother of Nannie Lena Taylor.
It is not clear that the wife of J. K. P. Taylor on the 1880 census is
Fannie Kansas Pierce. But if it actually is, then she was the mother of
Nannie Lena Taylor.
If Grover C. Pierce was in fact a brother of Nannie Lena Taylor Walker,
then the 1910 census indicates that they only share the same mother, not
the same father. Nannie Lena Taylor was born in 1881 and Grover C.
Pierce was born in 1891. So if Nannie Lena Taylor’s mother was Fannie
Kansas Pierce, then Grover C. Pierce’s mother was also Fannie Kansas
Pierce. In this case, there are a couple scenarios for how Grover’s
surname because Pierce. However, I am not completely convince that
Nannie Lena Taylor’s mother was Fannie Kansas Pierce.
I will accept that George Franklin Pierce’s mother was Fannie Kansas
Pierce, but it is possible that J.K.P. Taylor remarried between the time
George Franklin and Nannie Lena were born. If that is the case, then it
is likely that J.K.P. Taylor’s second wife (mother of Nannie Lena
Taylor) was remarried to a Pierce between the time Nannie Lena and
Grover C. were born.
I know it’s a lot of speculation, but when you can find any documents,
you have to start speculating. And being as this all happened in the 20
year span between the 1880 and 1900 census, it makes things more
difficult. And also the fact that a lot of these related families in
Hill Co. and Johnson Co., TX seem to have moved back and forth between
Texas and Indian Territory (for which there are not good records during
that time). So anything could have happened.
At any rate, my interest in all this is to determine whether Fannie
Kansas Pierce (wife of J. K. P. Taylor) is related to my Pierce family
June 6 Michelle Ruidosa NM
Thank you for all of your hard work. Last night I found a James J.
Taylor married to a Nannie living in Hill County in 1900. It was ED 41
Justice Precinct 2 (west part). James Taylor states that he was born in
Arkansas and parents in Mississippi. Nannie states that she was born in
Mississippi and parents born in South Carolina. Although we don't have
good birth dates for either one of these people I am questioning the
dates on the census. The other census I found, www.familysearch.org, was
an 1880 census with a James Taylor and Nannie with a 5 month old son
named James. I found these by putting in Nannie Lena Taylor's name
looking for a marriage certificate in Hill County. I called the Hill
county clerk's office yesterday and they said there was not a marriage
Thanks Dan. I have a few errands to run this afternoon and then I will
begin again on this group. I have contacted a person on Ancestry that is
related to the Walker side in hopes that they might have some info. I
will let you know what I find out from that person.
Have a good afternoon.
June 3 Dan Pierce
I think our Grover C. Pierce was married in Johnston Co., OK in 1916 to
They lived in Johnston Co., OK in June 1917 when he registered for the
draft (and his invalid father was a dependent)
Grover was born in Cleburne, Johnson Co., TX (WW-I Draft Reg. Card)
He died in June 1918 and is buried in Johnston Co., OK.
Grover and Minnie had a son Woodrow Wilson Pierce in Oct. 1918 born in
Milburn, Johnston Co., OK
Grover lived with W. H. and Nannie Walker in 1910
Minnie and son Woodrow W. Pierce were living with her parents in Carter
Co., OK in 1920
June 3 Michelle Ruidosa NM
Subject: Re: JKP Taylor/Fannie Kansas Pierce
I just found another 1900 Census with Grover C. in it and his father is
listed as Thomas Pierce and mother is Mary.
We have two Grover C.'s...it looks like.
June 3 Dan Pierce California
Well that’s interesting. If Nannie Lena she was born in Taylor Co., TX
in 1881 like her death certificate says, then it makes sense that the
J.K.P. Taylor on the 1880 census in Taylor Co., TX is her father and the
G. F. in the household is George Franklin Taylor.
However the wife of J.K.P. Taylor on the 1880 census appears to be T. C.
Taylor. I suppose that could be Fannie Kansas going by a different name.
Its interesting that Nannie Lena’s mother’s maiden name is given as
Abacrumby. Actually, it would have been her grandmother’s maiden name
that was Abercrombie if her mother was Fannie Kansas Pierce.
And I haven’t seen the name Grover C. Pierce before, but it doesn’t make
sense that he is the brother of Nannie Lena – since her maiden name is
Taylor. Except that the 1910 census shows that the birthplace of the
father of each of them is different, while the birthplace of their
mother’s are the same – Georgia. So I think I remember seeing that
J.K.P. Taylor died in the 1880s. If his wife had Grover C. in 1891, then
either he took her maiden name when he got older because he didn’t know
who his father was, or Fannie Kansas (Pierce) Taylor remarried to a
June 2 Michele Ruidosa New Mexico
mltaylor re Mollie Mims
Did you get a hold of Miss Mollie?
How are you doing today? Today has been a helter skelter day for me. I
usually have Tuesdays off, but I had to work and then run
errands....Wal-Mart!!!! I hate Wal-Mart.
Shirley Greenhill, her husband Wayne is your cousin too, and I had an
idea to check mental hospital census records in hopes of maybe finding
Fannie....no such luck so far. At one point in time Laverne and George
lived in Graham, Texas and their oldest daughter, Cathey and her
daughter, lived with them. Anyway this daughter Asenith had told Shirley
that Grandpa George Taylor use to take off to Wichita Falls to see his
step or half brothers. Is this fact or fiction???? We got the wild idea
that since we can't find Fannie that maybe George was going to see her
in the mental hospital. At the time there was a mental hospital by the
name of Northwest Texas Insane Asylum. I found 2 Taylor's but no Fannie.
This was a 1930 Census report.
I have to go start dinner. Have a nice evening.
May 30 Michele Taylor Ruidosa NM
Dan & LD, attachment 3
Look towards the bottom of the page and you will see James K. Polk
Taylor and Fannie Kansas Pierce. I spoke with Robert sometime back and
he could not remember much about his research since he had done the
research quite a few years back from speaking with me. I found a
relative of his that still lives in Hill County and she did not remember
a James K. Polk. The aunt gave me her daughter's name, who has
apparently done some research on the family, but I have never received a
I will respond to your last e-mail this afternoon.
May 29 Michele Taylor Ruidosa NM
Fw: DNA Match
To: Pierce, LD
----- Original Message -----
To: Dan Pierce
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: DNA Match
I apologize for the delayed response...we have no electricity or
internet because of all the "experts" in both of these fields. Rural
living is so great!!!!! ;)
Okay, I have purposely not put any information about Fannie Kansas
Pierce because I have no concrete dates other than the marriage
The marriage certificate has not been on Ancestry for very long and I
acquired my copy from www.familysearch.org. I ordered the film and had
it sent here to our local library.
I have not seen the marriage record for this Fannie and Andy Gatewood.
The death certificate for Grandpa George Taylor...the informant was his
second wife and apparently she did not know a hill of beans about the
family. I have been in touch with the clerk's office in Hill County and
there is not a birth record for George, not even a delayed birth
certificate. That is in question although I think that is probably
I did know the name of Jeremy's great-grandparents before the marriage
certificate because in Jeremy's mother's handwriting it is in his baby
book. I think we are pretty positive that we have the right people.
There is a woman who has a family tree and her information is off of
David and Adeline Pierce's Fannie. I had to ask her to take us off of
her tree because nothing was matching up. When you put David's name in
the DNA search he doesn't come up with any matches.
Here is an interesting fact...Marcia Tinder has a surname match of
Donham which is supposedly JKP's mother's surname. Her name was Mary
"Polly" Donham married to Samuel B. Taylor. Mary is buried in the Derden
Cemetery in Hill County. There is gentleman by the name of Robert Taylor
who put all of this info together on Roots Web. Robert has put a date of
1936, Hill County, that JKP died. I can't find him anywhere. I have
called the local library trying to find an obituary and there is none to
be found. Another dead end.
I will check out the names that you sent. Marcia has been a very good
If you want any of the info on Fannie J. Pierce, David and Adeline's
daughter I can send it to you. She married a Chassard in Hill County and
then Ingram "Judge" Johnson.
Can't wait to hear back from you. I hope I have addressed all of the
issues. This has been an on and off search for the last 6 years. I did
call LD about 5 years ago and he did not think that Jeremy was part of
the Pierce's, but with the DNA results I truly think he is.
May 29 Dan Pierce Calif
Other than the 1860 census, we have no information about Fannie Pierce,
the daughter of Andrew J. Pierce and Nancy Abercrombie. L.D. is
descended from Andrew J. Pierce and Nancy Abercrombie, but I am not. I
am descended from his brother Wilson Pierce.
I looked at your tree and I see that you don’t have any information
about your Fannie Kansas Pierce, other than the record of marriage to
J.K.P. Taylor in 1873.
I see that the marriage record is on Ancestry.com, and it surprised me a
little that I had not seen it before. Maybe that is a more recent
database that has been posted on Ancestry.com.
There is also a marriage record in Johnson Co., TX for Fannie Pierce to
Andy Gatewood on 22 Oct 1871. I have assumed that this was probably the
Fannie from the 1860 census, but was never able to find any evidence of
them after the marriage.
I also see that there is a death certificate for your George Franklin
Taylor on Ancestry.com. It gives his mother’s name as “Fannie Kansas”
and says they don’t know where she was born.
Unfortunately, George F. Taylor’s parents are hard to identify on any
So for the first question I have...did you know that the surname of
J.K.P. Taylor’s wife was Pierce before you found the marriage record?
Anyway, I think L.D. said that it is your husband that is descended from
this Fannie K. Pierce. If your husband and I have a DNA match and we can
prove it is through the Pierce line, that is a pretty good indication
that Fannie K. Pierce is in fact the daughter of Andrew J. Pierce and
Now the more DNA matches that we share in common on the Pierce line, the
more conclusive it becomes that we are both descended from the same
So below are the usernames for DNA matches that I have that I know
descend from Reuben Pierce – the father of my Wilson Pierce and L.D.s
Andrew J. Pierce. If you are able to find DNA matches for J.T. to
several of these same people, then it is almost certain that you descend
from Reuben Pierce, and more specifically Andrew J. Pierce – since his
was the only offspring of Reuben living in Texas at that time.
When you are on the page for DNA matches, hit the Search Matches button
on the right side. Then put in Pierce in the Search by Surname field and
hit Search. This will filter down your matches to just those who have
the surname Pierce in their tree. Then you will be able to scan these
matches for the usernames below. Let me know which ones of these you
find matches to.
tworunga1 (that’s me)
C.R. (administered by reedcity)
K.W. (administered by reedcity)
M. K. C. (administered by MARCIA_TINDER)
M. L. E. (administered by RandallTPierce)
A.W. (administered by suemorsewilson)
P.M. (administered by jlarryc)
May 25 to LD Pierce
Yes, I’ve written to you about the Fannie Pierce to Andy Gatewood
marriage before, but I never was able to identify this Andy Gatewood in
any census records before or after the marriage – nor any other type of
May 24 Brad Pierce Pierce Dna Site
re DNA Match Ancestry
OK LD. I'll email Michele and if she wants a brief pedigree posted at
the site if she will send me one. Or do you or Dan need to do it for
her? Since it is autosomal DNA, it will have to be posted under our new
autosomal pedigree page, instead of on the KK page as there is not a
Ydna match but an autosomal match with you all. I can mention on the
autosomal page however, that the family has known ties to group KK in
the genealogy record.
She mentioned that her husband is matching Pierces on ancestry.com. I am
assuming those matching Pierces on ancestry are ones who have lines
matching a common ancestor with you and Dan--that they share ancestors
with KK Pierces. Is that right? Brad
May 25 Brad Pierce Pierce Dna Site
Re Dna Match
Subject: Re: PIERCE group KK
Hi LD, it is nice to hear from you again. I'm very sorry to hear about
your cancer diagnosis. Sound's like a very tough time for you this last
Ancestry.com really has made a mess of things with Y DNA. They ditched
their use of Y DNA and closed down all of their YDNA groups, so that is
why you can't submit your results to their database. Hard to believe
that they would do that, but with them it likely was all related to
money. They are now offering only their autosomal DNA product which
cannot be compared with the results in our Pierce YDNA group. It's sort
of like comparing apples to oranges.
Family tree dna's Family Finder is a similar product to the current
product offered by Ancestry.com
If someone has tested at ancestry.com they can upload results to family
tree dna's database to compare with those who have done family finder at
FTDNA. Ancestry.com will not allow one to upload FTDNA's results.
I did get an email from Michelle Taylor and will get back with her
today. About all that I've been able to do with the autosomal testers at
both ancestry.com and FTDNA is accept a pedigree and post on our
website. The DNA results just can't be compared.
I hope that the next year is a better one for you. Brad
May 23 Michele Taylor Ruidosa NM
How nice it was to get to speak with you this afternoon. I wanted to let
you know that you have an open invitation to come to Ruidoso anytime.
We'd love to have you.
If and when we get to Texas do we need to contact any one person to get
permission for entrance to the Pierce Cemetery?
Thanks again for responding to my e-mail and our phone conversation was
Our best to you,
May 26 Michele Taylor Ruidosa NM
My first question is does the Pierce family still have the family
About 6-7 years ago I began researching my husbands family. His
grandfather was George Franklin Taylor, father was James K. Polk Taylor,
mother was Fannie Kansas Pierce. I know there is a Fannie born in
Cherokee County, Georgia with no other information available. JKP Taylor
and Fannie Kansas Pierce were married in Hill County, TX on September
1873. Neither one are no where to be found. My husband and I just
received our DNA results and Jeremy is definitely related to the Pierce
line. Actually in more ways than one. His grandmother was Lavurne
Wilbanks. Is there possibly any new information regarding our mysterious
I appreciate any help that can be offered.
June 25 Dan Pierce California
On the link you sent me, I was able to find her username, and from that
I found that I do have a DNA match to the account name J. T. (which she
administers). Since her tree is private, I could not see any information
about the DNA match, so I had no idea that it was a match on the Pierce
I sent her a request to allow me access to her tree.
This is good news if both Marcia Tinder and I have a close match to her
Mau 25 2015 Michele Ruidosa NM
have to work this morning but will start out with this....
James K. Polk Taylor
DOB 1845 in Itawamba, Mississippi...I have called the library looking
for records and birth records were not kept by 1845 and at some point in
time the family migrated to Hill. JKP's mother Mary Donham-Taylor died
in Hill County and is buried in Derden Cemetery. The Donham surname
comes up as a match in Jeremy's DNA. Samuel B. Taylor moved to
Williamson County, Texas after the death of Mary...he is buried in
Fannie Kansas Pierce......still looking. Marriage record in Hill County,
13 Sep 1873 to James K. Polk Taylor.
George Franklin Taylor:
his death certificate states that he was born in Hill County. I have
called the clerk's office and there is nor birth record for Grandpa
Taylor. The very nice woman even looked in the delayed birth records.
Married Lavurne Wilbanks and they are both buried in Graham, TX, which
we are wondering why they did not request burial at the Baker-Lain
Cemetery. We're wondering if there is some connection to Graham with
N.L. Taylor born in Graham, Texas, 09 Feb 1910 and died on 04 Apr 1994.
Married Kathryn Jean Stephens in Las Cruces, NM and then made his life
in El Paso. Jean and N.L. moved back to Abilene in there very last years
of life and are buried there.
May 25 Michele Ruidosa NM RE Pierce famiy
It is N.L. Taylor, father was George Franklin Taylor, grandparents were
James K. Polk Taylor and Fannie Kansas Pierce.
I will work on the GEDcom file tomorrow.
Our address is:
Jeremy & Michele Taylor
Ruidosa, NM 88312
Talk to you soon.